Although my name has awarded me a lot of great opportunities because it looks great on paper; Im a 60 tall African American from GEORGIA .I HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Begin typing your search above and press return to search. But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? If you cant even get that right!!!! Slavery was not only their chief concern but certainly serves as a great example. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. Case and point, to her its all about race. Black Irish Elm, wych elm cultivar originally discovered in Ireland. Indentured is a form of slavery. Im English Scandinavian Western Europe Eastern Europe, European Jew Irish my oldest ancestry comes from Africa I along with all of you are the human race we are imperfect people frail to a fault trying to make life better for each other. I always thought that the Jamaican dialect sounded like a version of an Irish dialect. Paddyboy, and a lot (not all, obviously) of the Irish coming to the colonies werent Irish either, but came from UK families who spent a few generations in Ireland, then moved on. One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. Dubhthaigh, anglicized to Duffy, comes from an Irish name meaning black or swarthy. Irish TV personality Louis Walsh, singer and Girls Aloud member Kimberley Walsh, and American actress Kate Walsh are three famous people with the surname Walsh. But you lost me where you said Irish slaves were treated worse than African slaves. plenty an irish female married black african men. But there are many others who have suffered under slavery, the Irish as you mentioned here, also the Scottish, Jews (black, German, French..). The article failed to explain that. in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. In the cases of non-English origin, the surname is likely to be an Anglicisation. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. I got my answer. But animals of higher value are often treated better than less. The turnover would not be that high if whites treated enslaved blacks with even a modicum of kindness. Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Lots of questions still to be answered. Saying that the Irish were treated worse because they were Catholic might be so on the occasional individual basis, but as a group, they didnt have their history, their names, and even the memories of their religions and homelands stripped from them. But, are we talking about African slavery? My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. We are, however, disputing the numerical facts posited in this article. Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. The most famous being Sir Walter Scott, the Scottish patriot, writer, and poet. Many Irish were American slaveholders, some had even once been indentured servants at one time and after serving their indentured term went on to own a slave or two or several. Further, the statement, I am offended not by the story and the facts, but by the dishonest comparison. this is an insult to intellect! There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. Wealthy irish were Protestants who were placed there by England to control and rule the Native population. Conclusion: With regard to the article. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. When someone thinks of American culture they think of Scots-Irish. Not if the mother were a prostitute and father disappeared. Even though our histories converged and should have caused extended cooperation between the groups, Irish Americans have become stereotyped as extreme racists. The Origins of the Term 'Black Irish'. Despite my Polish name I am from Irish heritage on my mothers side (OKanes) and knew how much she and the family still spoke of the atrocities of Cromwell so much as I would like to believe this it doesnt stand up to the evidence this does https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. He said a freed man works for no man. Do this; check the census records and slave owner property records. Third, the names come from the Scots-Irish slaveholders. It could easily be claimed by any of those writers who like to push their political agendas by denying facts in evidence and making up effects and results that sound plausible, but simply did not happen, or do not have the meanings that those writers freely attach to them. This is the most recent history and this is, what Id argue, is the reason why Blacks are accredited as being the slave race. So with that in mind I guess history allready was rewritten in favour of the British The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. 8. Or was the heaten allowed to do this in a kind of prophetic way? The predominant slave owners were not Irish. This is nothing new, look throughout recorded human history at every time one group has oppressed several other groups rather than unite as brothers-in-arms and the oppressed groups turn against each other in the hopes of receiving their masters favour. Such a great read! They entered into an indentured agreement, which was recorded (and can be viewed on many online resources) for a fixed period of time and were subject to the same laws as all subjects of the King. They are to be found mostly in Northern Ireland Genealogy, but also in some neighbouring parts of the Ireland Genealogy particularly County Donegal. The Plantation of Ulster in the seventeenth century saw the arrival of English and Scottish colonists in Ulster after the Flight of the Earls. However, conflating the Scot-Irish with those who were the predominant focal point of British intolerance: Irish-Catholics (to include any and all Presbyterians and Dissenters among them however small a minority), as the focus of this article however factual is misdirected just as well. Bullshidt!!!! But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Black Dutch (genealogy) Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. There are still people living under those conditions, especially in AfricaSierra Leone, for example. many were actually dark skinned black irish. or any other colour or race, you just needed to be POOR. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. O'Connor 10. One of the most famous people with the name Campbell is model and actress Naomi Campbell. We dont really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. The Normans were dark in complexion, often with dark hair and eyes. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. Salem, Massachusetts. Irish surnames stand out like a sore thumb. Nevertheless, from research, it appears the most likely reason for this term in Irish culture is to describe an intent as dark invaders or black foreigners of the Irish country. the ira was formed so we could have more rights. ack sure the English were only RAPEING women and children for 800 years talking are homes are lands hanging us for are religion we were slaves to the English for years ack and sure only 1 million people died of starvation watching there kids dieing one by one resorting to poor houses were you worked for food. I would like to share this article on Facebook but do not see a Facebook icon to share the link. Baltimore was an english town, the pirates were directed to it by an Irishman (Hackett), and the english inhabitants were shipped off to North Africa. Thanks for this fascinating post. Murphy 2. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. We need to move past focusing on just one point in history to see the big picture. Often, female Blacks slaves were impregnated by their masters to create more slaves. Famous Martins include musician Chris Martin of Coldplay, and actors Steve Martin and Dean Martin. If you didnt have money you had nothing. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. Enjoy! Those who live in the north of the country may hold various national identities, including Irish, Northern Irish, and British. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. Throughout history, all nations and races are guilty of slavery. It is derived from the Gaelic Conchobhair (descendant of Conchobar "lover of hounds"). T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. and to the edjit who called the ira terrorists. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. Sad! People dont make it to age 40 there. Louisiana is one hundred apologetically AFRICAN roots. For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. They always had a love-hate relationship with blacks and were quick to terrorize backs to prove their whitness. For I come from many origins but the one of royalty is bmy great grandfathers, Mothers, Aunts , Uncles whom colonized , partaken in this horrible, horiffic , cruel in human act of the wealthiest plantations and plantation owners.My heart aches for what youve been put through and each and every descendants and ancestors.. A blog to follow. Where the Black Irish really came from and no, it wasnt the Spanish Armada, Mariah Careys Black Irish liquor cannot be sold in Ireland due to legal battle, International Irish Coffee Day: The history and recipe of Irish coffee. O'Carroll 23. Here is the thing though, when they hooked up with Africans to rebel, Bacons Rebellion, they struck a deal with the English colonists to become the slave patrols and plantation overseas. I still choose not to use the Irish name my Black family still carries. the protestants in belfast are from scottish/english back gronds. And, more so, dynamised the tapestry of Irish DNA, bringing greater numbers of English and lowland-Scot inhabitants to Ireland. I assumed it had transferred from plantation owner to slave but instead it seems like it transferred from Irish slave to African slave. And so white planters were secured in their thinking that slaves were disposable because they could easily be created. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . Only a few blacks were able to do this. There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave.. Unique and like no other, a mere uttering of an Irish family name and youre sure to know they hail from the Emerald Isle. Were they Anglo-Irish landlords? Take a look inside Dublin's most stylish townhouse, Number 31, JFK's words remind us of the true meaning of St. Patrick's Day. That is less than the African migration per decade to the United States today. From Irish Deoradhin meaning "descendant of Deoradhn", where Deoradhn is a given name meaning "exile, wanderer". One of the most famous Buckeys is singer-songwriter Jeff Buckley. White indentured servitude was so very different from black slavery as to be from another galaxy of human experience, as Donald Harman Akenson put it in If the Irish Ran the World: Montserrat, 1630-1730. They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. This Irish surname is of a prominent Derry sept. Its origin can be traced back to Mac Giolla osa, meaning "son of the devotee of Jesus". Famous owners of the Irish last name Byrne include actress Rose Byrne, actor Gabriel Byrne, and singer and Westlife member Nicky Byrne. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. 8. Your overt and brazen bigoted comments against the Irish the kind of comments that would instantly be called racist if they were reversed are a perfect example of this playing off the inferior races against each other. Scot-Irish synonymous with Ulster Scots of partitioned Ireland not natives of Ireland in the recent sense of this discussion. Hackett was later hung for what he did. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. Although I reject the implications of these labels, for the sake of the argument and simplicity, Ill continue to use them. And it is entirely possible that they formed families with the native peoples there, or when the slaves were finally freed by England in the English colonies of the West Indies, in the 1830s, with them and that could be how so many African Americans have Irish surnames. I have been unsuccessful with finding all the data you have, will you please site the sources from your research? Irish ancestry stretches to the far reaches of the globe. This regard of history and overall attitude only serves to further perpetuate the divide between skin color and bigotry. My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. The most well-known person by the name Casey is American journalist and former news anchor Whitney Casey. So, no, Irish did not get to keep their names, they got to keep their anglicized names, just like African slaves. They are also from Donegal and Roscommon. Irish last names you may recognise from around the world are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic) and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). Most planters were multimilionaires by todays standards so purchasing thousands of enslaved blacks every 5 years to replaced the thousands who died from starvation, dehydration, disease, exposure, infection, brutality, suicide and mutilation was a minor expense. Take their bone head, broad cranium, drunken, red neck selves and lie to somebody else. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. I know for some sorry isnt enough and I agree .However Im more concerned with my family that was shackled, bound, branded raped, sold. Horrific story, and the things the Irish went through shouldnt be forgotten. The most famous person with the surname Power is American film, stage, and radio actor Tyrone Power. By the time we reach the 1600s the non roman Europeans have been assimilated into a romanic style world where most are commonly white (although this seemed to exclude the irish who were treated very badly and if they werent forced into servitude died of starvation or spent their lives as serfs). Des Ekins The Stolen Village is about the village of Baltimore where this in particular happened. Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. Its about connecting the dots. Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. No need to compare the two as slavery in any form or fashion is wrongno matter to what extent it was practiced. Liam Hogan does a pretty good job of refuting this pseudohistory. Interesting read on the landowners and the British rule in Ireland. Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. Please describe discrimination that you personally face everyday? Famous people with this surname include singers James Brown and Chris Brown. This is how many other current events were going at the time, that is, not in the favor of the south. Famous Kellys include actor and director Gene Kelly, 20th-century artist Ellsworth Kelly, and actress and Princess of Monaco Grace Kelly. Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. My mother in law was called Shanks. 1) A good number of slave masters were Scotch-Irish. You were right that African slaves were an expensive commodity, doesnt mean they were valued by being treated well in any capacity. Black History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms - HouseOfNames This slave trade, and the bigotry in the past and now, is very complicated issues; dont oversimplify them by making it an issue of Black vs White. It was not until the late 18th century that physical traits alone was being shopped around as an identifier of race, and much later till that idea would even flirt with the consciousness of the mainstream. This very old and famous surname, equally popular in Scotland and England, has at least two possible origins, the first being a nickname given by the invading Angles and Saxons to the native Celts and Britons who were darker-haired and darker-skinned than themselves. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. In fact he intimated that the conditions were at least just as bad when he said, We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.. Some of that comes from atrocities visited upon African Americans during the 19th and 20th centuries such as the union riots that rocked many northern urban centers.
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