Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. Caller: Hi. Is this kind of a typical story. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. Well I can't tell you what you saw. 19 That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. And it was unmistakable. So do they. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Early in the morning. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Infinite Scroll Enabled. So give us a call now. So they're scary. Mike you're on the air. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Yeah I did. Yes. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. So you want identifiable backgrounds. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Women control our lives. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. That's pretty elaborate. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. Rick your thoughts. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Thanks for calling. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. No I saw a camel. 1957. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Thank you. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Oh you saw him online. How far were you from this cat. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Like why would you want one wildlife. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. The report came in from a conservation officer. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. Peter Biello: Hmm. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. Really appreciate it. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Give today. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. brings a lot of. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. 44-N Links. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Okay. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. John you're on the air. We'd love to have you in the queue. So. Think you've seen a mountain lion. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. She is renowned for tracking. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together.
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