Starting around 1967, automobile insurance companies started premium surcharges on cars with outsized horsepower or low curb weight to power ratios. On a true four-speed car, you'll see the slag on the edges of the opening. I agree with both of the above comments 100%. Additional items accompanying the car include a Protect-O-Plate, owners manuals, and a vehicle history summary from the reported original owner, photos of which are provided in the gallery. The inline six alternative had a very limited following. W-31 fender emblems. Kia Motors is one of the leading automakers globally with a brand value of USD 7 billion. I thoroughly check the codes on a W-30 carburetor, distributor, cylinder heads, and starter, as there are a lot of re-stamps out there. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. While W-31 is down on engine displacement, the power is no different than a 68 Oldsmobile 442 with an automatic transmission so whether this serves as a high insurance premium salve or not, it is hard to say. Kia in collaboration with Lucky Group has taken the initiative of establishing their manufacturing plant in, In general, you should expect to service your Porsche every 10,000 miles or once per year. The interior is a mix. If the passenger side is rusted (front fender, rocker, quarter) you can be pretty certain the drivers side is just as bad. At the present, my expertise covers 1968-1972, and that includes W-30s, W-31s, and others. Just 500 were made, all four-speeds. The car has obviously had paint work, the stripes are incorrect, the passenger rocker, rear wheel lips front fender rust really make you think this is a 149k mile car. The all-new Turbo GT model is at the top of the model range. What is the Greatest Automobile to Restore? Or subscribe without commenting. Believe it or not, the hardest things to find these days are N.O.S. I wanted to see how things were put together. Not only does Minore authenticate classic Oldsmobile muscle cars, but he also works on them, seen here with a 1967 W-30. Minore: I go from the top to the bottom to the best of my knowledge working with the references that I have. However, he said that so-called experts had told him that it was not for that particular car because it didn't have the VIN listed at the top of it. Many would say that the brand picked up an image of being old and stuffy. Powered by Invision Community. It was obviously a 350/325hp car with all the options. It is a small-block screamer. If you want the purist 911 experience for the least amount of money, The GT3 RS, which joins the lineup this year, gets tuned up to, Price: 2022 Porsche 911 pricing starts at $101,200 and can reach. There are a lot of nice finished muscle cars out there for less than $50K. Right away I could determine that the block had been re-stamped. Oldsmobile Decoding Oldsmobile Engine Color Cutlass Production Numbers Mopar Decoding Mopar Engine Colors Mopar Fender Tag Decoding 4-Speed Transmission Decoding Engine Decoding Mopar VIN Decoding VIN 1964 & 1965 VIN 1966 & 1967 VIN 1968 & 1974 Cutlass Production Numbers Subscribe to our mailing list Oldsmobile was a late developer into the muscle car scene and then moved swiftly to create an affordable mid-price intermediate muscle car. The W-31 was filled with day-two parts, such as a vintage MSD box, an ACCEL Super Coil, headers, a high-stall converter, red airbags in the springs, a Sun Tach, and gauge pod. My photo file goes back over 20 years. Of course if money is if no consequence. Do you want to have hands like this when you get to be my age? It seems that many 442s from the era have automatic transmissions, not sure of the breakdown with the W-31. That's part of how they advertised it.". This 1970 Cutlass S is a Nugget Gold Metallic hardtop that was first sold at Tapper Chevrolet-Oldsmobile in Montpelier, Idaho, and it reportedly remained with its original owner until 2018 and now shows 75k miles. Sitting in the passenger seat, peering out over that ram-air hood, I was totally corrupted and have been ever since.". The Connecting Rods as also specific to W-31 engines. Obviously, that dramatically boosted the value of the car. Assuming the VIN derivative shows it to be a 1970 block, and the #6 heads have the 2.000/1.625 valves, and the cam is the correct 308 degree cam, and it has the W-31-unique balancer, and it has the correct distributor, and the pistons are flattops, then there's a high probability that the motor is an original W-31. It became a model in its own right from 1968 to 1971, then reverted to an option through the mid-1970s. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Rating breakdown (out of 5): Comfort 5.0. Forget the Olds, that classic brown for sale Camry caught my eye!!! "I started looking at things like the Julian date codes on cowl tags, VIN numbers, broadcast sheets, and those kinds of things. I helped a friend swap out the one in his 67 442 using a curb in a suburban neighborhood, serving as a ramp, for under-car access. It was pointed out that the largest market for Oldsmobiles was the population whose parents had in fact owned Oldsmobiles. A special edition Hurst/Olds paced the Indy in 1972. Porsche and BMW are very different premium brands one is known for speed and agility and the other for luxury and engine power. It's clean work, and you have a natural talent for it.". Have you run across any earth-shaking discoveries in the authentication process? Hopefully a prospective buyer can negotiate a somewhat lower price. "I was shocked when I saw it," Jimmy McKeague said. This rare and beautiful 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 is now available from MaxMotive. Jimmy, already a W-31 owner, informed Andy that his 1970 Oldsmobile was a W-31. While it is true these are limited number models, the cost to restore this after paying the asking price will put you upside down in a hurry. The tach in the dash currently isnt the original OEM tic-toc-tach. Interior and a lot of the body tells me that. The Antique Automobile Club of America defines the Muscle Car Era as between 1961 and 1974, a wider range than many muscle car enthusiasts recognize. Features include 14 Super Stock II wheels, front disc brakes, dual hood scoops, and a push-button radio. 50 years of rust hiding who knows where, may sink a sale, upon close up inspection. The technical knowledge came from owning and parting out cars and dealing with Oldsmobile collectors. In addition, a W-31 would never have had a 3-groove pulley because A/C was not available with that motor. It's vital that you take a look at the firewall to see that it hasn't been fooled with. The last set I found went for crazy money, $700 per pair! Among those other pursuits is Minore's complete and total infatuation with Oldsmobile's W-Machines, specifically the 1968-1972 models. When Stephen J. Minore was in high school, his father Joe, a gas station operator, took him aside and gave him some advice. And further inspection may reveal other things to use when dickering the price down. Is a restored a car harder to authenticate? This car has seen some rough riding. Sort of like Woodstock, a big experiment. If so please use the bidding box above. The 1970 W-30 featured a 455 cubic inch 370 HP engine. "A lot of people will tell you back in the day this car, with the 3.91 stock rearend, would keep up with the W-30 at the track. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. That's when he found himself immersed in a W-31 time capsule in this rural Ohio garage. These models were equipped with the 442 package. Can I look at it?' Congratulations! Performance & security by Cloudflare. A power steering system was reportedly installed by the original owner, while updates by the seller are said to include resealing of the steering gear, re-installation of the power steering equipment, replacement of the center steering link and hoses and shock absorbers as well as performing an alignment. Find out where they were built. Power's 2020 ranking of the most reliable brands. There are dead giveaways, like the wrong [mounting] hardware has been used. I wonder if it still has the original carb and distributor are still in place? California Notice at Collection This is one of the cars I have always wanted, Im pretty familiar with these cars, but this one is really going to cost you. That is why the Hurst company built the Hurst Oldsmobile with the 455. "Hardware store hardware," we call it. I question even a lot of pristine cars on Ebay the same way. LOL Seriously, though, having driven my girlfriends 2003 loaded Camry all over the country I can say without a doubt they routinely get you from point A to B without issue. Materials and finishes are shown further in the gallery below. This was the era prior to the Federal environmental and safety regulations taking effect. The upholstery is in poor shape which belies the 49K mile claim; it looks worn from use more so than age. . Terms of Use, Your Privacy Choices We would share knowledge about these cars with each other.". I would like to learn more about both the earlier and later year cars, as my ultimate objective is, for lack of a better term, to become the Kevin Marti or Galen Govier of Oldsmobile authenticators. No, they're not too common. If you win the auction, your card will be charged for the service fee and you pay the seller directly for the vehicle. I know where there are a number of excellent condition, unrestored 4-4-2 W-30 cars that I can refer to when the occasion arises, which is an excellent source to have. There are several other unique components to these engines such as 6 blade fan and fan clutch, larger harmonic balancer, matched heavy duty valve springs, Special Camshaft using 308/474 specs, and Performance Calibrated Q-Jet Carburetor. These models were equipped with the B-09 442 package. After all the rust and grime are cleaned away, it's much harder to authenticate. It should be noted that only the 69 and 70 used a special W-31 coded Distributor. That was the thinking behind Oldsmobile's 1970 W45 Rallye 350 package. When John sold the house to Andy, the Oldsmobile went with the deal. As can be expected for a purpose-built machine, production numbers for the W-30 4-4-2s are quite low. The Cayenne is a great example of how sometimes more expensive vehicles are worth the investment since they do in fact hold their value for longer. It was introduced as an option package for F-85 and Cutlass models sold in the United States beginning with the 1964 model year. Realizing that Jimmy was the right person to restore and save its history, Andy sold the W-31 to him. Unless you can do all of the work yourself, I wouldnt touch it. These cars have a lot of rare engine parts on them, Minore says, including carburetors that were W-31 specific. It also has a factory Aluminum W-350 intake, 1970 W-30 4-speed Camshaft (Steve opted to install this stock grind as it has .475 lift, 328 duration instead of the stock .474 308 . Photos of assorted casting numbers and stampings are provided in the gallery below. The W-31 for the 68 and 69 year had a cast iron intake and #5 Heads. The muscle car's future looked grim. I really dont know which is more effective at forced air although I heard the early ones were good at inhaling lots of dirt, gravel as well. Just picked up a 65 dodge dart from the original owner, 32000 miles on it. Engine upgrades included the use of what's become known as the 308 camshaft, which was actually the unit's duration; the camshaft also touted .474-inch lift and an intake/exhaust valve overlap of 82 degrees. World's fastest mass-produced sedan with a top speed of 203 mph. Find new and used 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass classic cars for sale near you by classic car dealers and private sellers on Classics on Autotrader. Always had a thing for W-31 cars. Major difference was the AC cars had C heads, Non AC cars had D heads. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_4',148,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_5',148,'0','1'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0_1'); .large-leaderboard-2-multi-148{border:none !important;display:block !important;float:none !important;line-height:0px;margin-bottom:7px !important;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important;margin-top:7px !important;max-width:100% !important;min-height:250px;padding:0;text-align:center !important;}. The Oldsmobile Cutlass first came on the scene as a 1961 1/2 model. He couldn't resist asking if Andy was interested in selling, and was surprised when Andy said yes. I would go to people I had sold parts to and ask, 'You own a 1970 4-4-2 don't you? The grilles on a 1970 W-31 are very hard to find, but they did come on four-door cars, station wagons, and Cutlass S cars. In 1970, Oldsmobile Division came out with an aluminum W-31 intake similar to the one used on the W-30s and made by the same foundry. production date code (month/day), and a suffix code which identifies the engine. A decent quality paint job without body work can easily cost $10k and up by itself. Most powerful production V-8 engine with 797 horsepower and 707 lb. For 1970, 3,100 W-30s were built. Missed updates will be sent once your connection has been reestablished. I have been able to amass a database for 1970 W-30 four-speed and automatic cars. These models were equipped with the 442 package (only on Cutlass Supreme). Year 1970 Category All Body Styles 1970 442 1970 98 1970 Cutlass 1970 Cutlass 'S' 1970 Cutlass Supreme 1970 Delta 88 1970 Delta 88 Royale 1970 F-85 1970 Rallye 1970 Toronado 1970 Vista Cruiser Sell your Oldsmobile Coupe with Gateway Classic Cars. To be able to look at a picture of an original W-30 car from back in the day to reference something is priceless.". The 68 Ram-Rod used the standard 4-Barrel Distributor. Many of the 1970 Olds Cutlass models have been restored and modified. 5 Ws ABOUT EVERY CAR! Attempting to connect. The engine balancer is big and as rare as hen's teeth. $32,500 Dealership CC-1661981 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Yellow 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 AUTO 8-Cylinder Recent Arrival!This 1970 Oldsmobile 442 hardtop c . Engine stamping 30M304131 is pictured above. Power 2019 Vehicle Dependability Study, or VDS. Email: contact@drivinithome.com. Thanks to Adam F for this tip! VIEW PRICES. Although it used the same block as the 455, GM management would not allow Oldsmobile to install an engine of more than 400 cubic inches in the mid size B body. Why don't you do something like drafting for a living? This is not an easy restoration by any means, but as they say, the bones are there, I had a 1968 ramrod my junior year in high school 1980 bought it after I totaled my 71 Torino cobra I paid 1600 for the ramrod the same as I paid for my Torino . The front passenger fender looks to be a repaint. It said "W-30" right on it, but the number listed at the top was not the VIN. Supreme Holiday Hardtop Supreme Convertible Supreme 4-Door Holiday Hardtop Handling 1970 Averages The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 69.50 inches in width, The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 203.20 inches in length, and has a wheelbase of 112.00 inches. I became involved with the W-31s after I went to the 1993 Oldsmobile Nationals in Somerset, New Jersey. A W-31 is not the same as a big-block W-30, but it's still a real W-Machine with a fiberglass hood with functional ram air feeding a 325hp 350 purposely built by Oldsmobile for enthusiasts. The 1970 W31 350 shared its gold paint and number 6 cylinder heads with the Rallye 350's L74, but major W31 upgrades included an aluminum intake manifold, high-speed crank damper, lumpy. A lot of people don't know that. FASTEST TOP SPEED OF ANY PRODUCTION MUSCLE CAR( Disclosure4), 3) Porsche 911 3.0 Carrera RS 109 built. The following year the car was changed to the W-31. The flat ridge acted like a spear. These cars are very rare and attract owners with erudite knowledge of Oldsmobile muscle. Welcome to Drivin' It Home, please email us if you have any questions. The youth market was red hot. Minore (right) chats with Ryan Weaver at the 2015 MCACN show about Weaver's barn-found 1969 W-31. 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 325 Horsepower @ 5,400 rpm 360-lb.ft. Oldsmobile Rallye 350 (1970 to 1970) CMB $31,469 FOLLOW MARKET The Oldsmobile Rallye 350 was a limited production performance model available for the 1970 model year. Through a number of conversations I was asked if I knew anyone who was interested in a 1970 Oldsmobile W-31. Menu Search (866) 383-1416; Inventory. The automaker itself might have actually contributed to this with their late 1980s promotion of not your fathers Oldsmobile. Certain things get painted over. Properly tuned, a W-31 is fun to drive, but it isnt going to scare anyone. You look at the head castings because there are a lot of forgeries out there these days, especially with Oldsmobiles. By 1971 it was only available as a cover. Its good to see that the W25 air induction scoops/air-cleaner are still present and hopefully functioning. If he is authenticating a 1970 model and the fender doesn't look like this, that means it has been replaced for some reason, and an owner's claim of "all original sheetmetal" goes out the window. Ive had a bunch of 442s, and had 1 W car, a 69 W30 convert 4 speed, but always wanted a 70 W-31. Experience has shown that a minor service including oil, filters, and inspection will cost between $200 and $400, while a major service including transmission services will cost, The automaker claims that the lineup contains quintessential sports cars, but it would appear that there's an identity crisis occurring. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. It's no slouch, and a W-31 has run 12.80 quarter-miles at the Pure Stock Drags with a ridiculously low gear of 4.66. Based on whats photographically revealed, the interior is certainly salvageable and probably not at great expense or effort. would any one by chance have a pic of the ballancers they used or diameter, I havent checked cam but its got flat tops and the right size valves,currently have the#6 heads all re built and on my 72 cutlass 355. what do you think is this a w-31 ballancer ? That's why, in 2013, he noticed a post on the classicoldsmobile.com forum from Andy Wenz of Cleveland. Additional photos are presented in the gallery below showing the suspension, chassis, and driveline, as well as corrosion on portions of the underside. "Another thing I've done is take a lot of pictures. V-8 and its 4.057-inch cylinder bores. John had a tri-power 1966 Olds 4-4-2 stolen, so he got this W-31 in a less flashy package. Let Us Sell Your Oldsmobile Coupe. With the Urus, the company's $200K SUV that debuted earlier this year, the wait time is, Unlike regular cars, the reliability of supercars is hard to rate due to their limited production. His cousin Pete Chillemi owned a 1972 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 four-speed car, red with white stripes. As 19sixty5 suggests that this car looks more like 149K vs. 49K. Minore's expertise hits its sweet spot with the 1968-1972 Oldsmobiles, but he's boning up on earlier and later models as well. Many Oldsmobile enthusiasts say that the declining sales were in fact caused by the this is not your fathers Oldsmobile campaign. Dimensions included a 112.0 inch wheelbase, 203.2 inch overall length, 69.5 inch width and a 54.1 inch height. m)s of torque and incorporated low-restriction dual exhausts. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Most likely 149,000. Dabblers or flippers in the muscle car hobby would likely mistake the unique W-31 350 as a common GM V-8 fitted with a four-barrel. He can be reached by email at casamperformance@sbcglobal.net. Also hood air induction and disc brakes are added. The dark blue finish is still presentable and the faded presence of the black W-31 body stripe, as well as the black hood accents, are still visible. $98,999 Dealership CC-1670126 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme I am trying to determine if my 1970 350 is a w31 engine It has #6 heads with 1.62 exhaust valves and it has a large harmonic ballancer,can some one tell me how to know for sure joe_padavano Members 5.9k Location: Northern VA AACA #: 914844 Other Clubs: Oldsmobile Club of America Posted June 18, 2010 I had a 72 Cutlass Supreme, had a 4 barrel carbshe was slow on takeoff, but I had her pegged past 130 on speedometer. The body was refinished in its factory shade of Nugget Gold Metallic (53) during prior ownership in 1984 according to the seller, and photos of paint meter readings are provided in the gallery below along with close-up photos depicting the paint and trim.
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