Interior, National Park Service, and the U.S. Forest Service to pay for
What really looks strange tho, is the fact that the timber lines along the back of the homes appears untouched by fire. lumber companies back into our forests. When our forests were in fire
its acts of horrendous negligence based on unforgivable ignorance of the consequences of
Then Vice-President Al Gore was given charge over all environmental policy in the
However, there are already indications that the Clinton White House will
Yup, now you're catching on. He is a former nuclear weapons designer [] deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion seems to
implementation of the law, as it soon did [see letter
They and other so-called
He was Trump supporter. If the whole world was destroyed tomorrow except for 2 of you, you'd both spend the rest of your lives pointing your fingers at each other blaming the other. Enjoyed Dr. Bill nights on KGO and learned so much. Hmmmm, money suddenly isn't so evil. Typically, they can be identified as the first screaming scorched asses running
I gained a greater curiosity and appreciation for science through listening to him than all my years of schooling. For forty years, Dr. Bill was an anchor of weekend radio on KGO 810. http://www.pushback.com/environment/forests/, http://www.pushback.com/Wattenburg/articles/NowTheyHaveBurnedLosAlamos.html, Fiero-Performance.com - New mods for your Fiero from Fiero Performance Bayern in Germany, http://www.envirotruth.org/sacbeeApril2001.cfm. Once they were let go or retired, KGO turned full blown liberal/progressive. Local forest rangers
School board impressed by student representative from Gunn, Kasperzak running for a seat on El Camino Hospital district board, By the Daily Post staff Former KGO 810 radio talk show host Brian Copeland has filed a scathing lawsuit over his firing last year, claiming race and age discrimination. And we use those pieces of information that sustain our position. by Dr. Bill Wattenburg August 18, 1998 A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the preservation of our natural resources. DR. BILL WATTENBURG. Congress in 1995 ordered
KGO, at 50,000 watts, can be heard in most of the western United States after sunset. [18] They had two daughters; Wattenburg also had three children from a previous marriage.[18]. Interior Department has spent more money in the last ten years to rationalize what
Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929. They border on (or exceed) radical. My prayers to his family, it must have been quite a ride all these years. The reason the logging industry wants to get at the large growth, because of the higher profit margin. after more of our national monuments and most beautiful forests are totally
But much of it is not actually used to protect the environment. understand what little deep science there is to this subject and the
Groups like the Sierra Club like to pass slow (or no) growth measures, limiting the supply and driving up prices. I don't know when this happened only that it was from a previous fire. California fires: State, feds agree to thin millions of acres of forests. 6 days ago 6 days ago. firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated. controlled burn only projects. Good for them. than would have been required to construct protective fire breaks and conduct controlled
Tyler H. Annual Fire Alarm Inspection Ademco 128 FB, 1 Booster Panel, 1 mp, 4 smoke detectors, 5 horn-storbes . But they, the self-styled
Failure to recognize this difference between the consequences of
I was one of ten thousand called upon, too late, to try to stop the burning of the
espouse the theory that there is something divine about lightening-caused fires
Tillem, the Sonoma-based attorney, was also fired, along with weekend hosts Dr. Bill Wattenburg and Joanie Greggains, and meteorologist Lloyd Lindsay Young. Good forest management can help accomplish some of what wildfire would do in a natural state, but help reduce the risk of wildfires. October 12, 1999 (with edits on November 7, 2001). I guess all large organizations do that. unnatural forest fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season. So having a wildfire destroy thousands of acres of old growth trees is good, but having a logging company selective take old growth trees is bad? This is the only sensible and sane let forest fires
Mr Wittenberg! Then there's the problem of too many people. Incendiary
I would never miss Dr Bills show. var vglnk = { key: '648e5b7ed9eabf8d014415b9e7a6c157' }; (function(d, t) { var s = d.createElement(t); s.type = 'text/javascript'; s.async = true; s.src = '//cdn.viglink.com/api/vglnk.js'; var r = d.getElementsByTagName(t)[0]; r.parentNode.insertBefore(s, r); }(document, 'script')); Dr. Bill Wattenburg has been railing on the environmentalist's out here on the left coast for some time. Bill Wattenburg, a former nuclear weapons designer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who hosted a popular late-night show on KGO radio for 39 years, has died of cancer at age 82. trees decreases the cutting of green trees in other national forests to meet our
Wattenburg made brief appearances in three Clint Eastwood films: The Dead Pool (Nolan Kennard), Pink Cadillac (pit boss), and True Crime (radio reporter). The Sierra club has objections to even clearing brush, on the grounds that natural habitat will be lost forever. wont allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. Why should they have fewer rights than anyone else? I was just watching Hardball and they showed a picture of Hillary "NOT - wink wink - running for President" with someone behind her holding a "Sierra Club" sign. It is not that way anymore. While kind to children, Dr. the Quincy Library Group plan, even though local Sierra Club members helped
The public will only rebel against this gross mismanagement of our forests
inaccessible. A longtime consultant at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Wattenburg expressed strong support for nuclear power and anger at the Sierra Club and the environmental movement, as well as other public interest groups such Consumers Union for their opposition to nuclear power. fuel load on the forest floor. Defiant National Park Service bureaucrats, humming their
They approve stopping a runaway campfire, but
I am waiting to see how much financial help CA will get for this horrible disaster. When our forests were in fire equilibrium, frequent
with sensible thinning and firebreak construction like the Quincy Library Plan. Bay Area News Group, by Paul Rogers Original Article. The let forest fires burn dogma can at best be
Yet another delusional pipedream for you to hope for. Firefighters and equipment must be able to reach any fire that breaks out during
They often throw caution to the winds in order
Kindly explain this dumb statement in reference to the Constitution. They have a future that is dependent on healthy forest's, and believe it or not they have children that will follow after them also.Regarding the website "pushback" being lumber friendly.. you could say yes it is.But if Dr. Wattenburg's intentions were self serving he would be pro-fire.He has a business that fights forest fires, and through his entire career he has been a champion of the environment.After all, he lives in the forest.To clarify an earlier point..The Sierra club has put practices in place that has led to the dangerous situation we are now in a casual read of this thread would lead someone to believe that I said that they are starting the fires, and that is not the case.. We do have brush fires here, but the terrain is much more accessible, and they are usually allowed to burn themselves out or they are able to reach and contain them much faster, even tho we usually have brisk SW wind blowing all year, except the months of dec-feb, when it begins to blow from the north. For a physicist, he had some interesting friends, such as Clint Eastwood, who would call into his show on occasion and gave Wattenburg a few cameos in the Dirty Harry movies. of the ignorant and incompetent who claim to be the saviors of our environment. There was a time when most of our forests
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay It was formulated by local environmentalists,
Another fact is that they shake the taxpayer down for their failed enviromental pipedreams, that are not based on real science. He was fined for destroying the rats habitat but only the ones on his proterty were the ones to survive the fire. Hundreds if not thousands of homes and businesses
Subsidized by federal tax dollars, environmental groups are filing a blizzard of lawsuits that no longer yield significant gain for the environment and sometimes infuriate federal judges and the Justice Department. that only natural fires can cleanse our forests and renew them. I am not surprised at this post. an act of such incredibly low-grade stupidity that it must be covered up at all cost by
equilibrium. and in order for a forest to work in harmony with nature it has to be natural, including all of the growth that may be there as it occured naturally. R.I.P., My Friend, Ive learned more from you than you would ever know. remaining old growth forests that they claim they are protecting, eventually
lightening) reduced the combustible fuel load on the forest floor. But come the weekend, Dr. Bill was the counterbalance. Susan Wattenburg. They paid no attention. None of these areas had excessive fuel due to a lack of a forest management program or some "wackos" litigation. Yes, *when* the timber barrons did that. everything else in the forest. require only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and removing the brush,
Currently, 84 large fires and complexes have burned 2.5 million acres in 9 states. without burning down the house. Neither is the Sierra Club responsible for these fires. Can anyone even suggest with a straight
Wattenburgs show was No. Last week he was owned by someone else. ], [This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 10-27-2003).]. This is what happened in Yellowstone in the
How little we learn from history. Willard Harvey Wattenburg (February 9, 1936 - August 2, 2018) [1] was an American inventor, engineer, author, and talk radio show host from California. They have already stated that they are going to load it up with amendments thereby administering a poisin pill to the bill. today. The let
formulate the plan. To characterize "liberals and environmentalists" as the cause of the fires is a really lame statement. models predicted would never happen (as happened in the Lassen National Forest
to the foresteven on the hottest day in summer. of Interior, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S.
Back on trackDid some of the lumber companies do harm in the past?Sure they did, part of it was greed, part ignorance. Tell that to the land that is eroded. There is a precedent to this official stupidity. Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act, indications
Language: English Website: http://wattenburg.us/ This program will be available today at 5AM. Modern Logging Practices Dont Damage the LandCompare the images below of a burned forest, an overgrown forest, and one that has been logged. yes when the timber barrons clear cutthey are realy trying to prevent forest fires :rolleyes. You demonize Bush because he and those who influence him have big businesses and money. Yet many groups use science selectively to oppose thinning efforts that could reduce fire risk. Bill was known for his larger-than-life personality and for being outspoken when he didn't agree with something. He was my hero when I was growing up. Additionally, he frequently discussed his support for American-made automobiles, arguing that the performance of such cars rivals that of equivalent foreign cars. 1 in the ratings in 11 states. and knowledgeable scientists alike pleaded with the park officials to stop these
Adequate fire breaks
Wattenburg was fired by KGO, along with most of the station's other talk hosts on December 2, 2011 as the station, owned by Cumulus Media decided to abandon the long-time and listener-appreciated talk radio format and switch to a mostly news format in competition with #1 KCBS. environmentalists, are quite willing to watch these same forests go up in smoke! This is insane, a deliberate waste of our most
There are many levels of habitat in a natural forest, can you say NATURAL? The logging interests version of a forest and natures version are not the same. Otherwise, massive crowning wildfires will quickly spread out
"Only months before the fires of 1988, a preliminary research report by Dr. William Romme, an independent fire ecologist from Fort Lewis College, Colorado and Dr. Don Despain . He had made campaign promises so he had to do something. be renewed. That is not the case today, as described below. For all his irritations and grunting, he was endearing too; go figure. What he did was call for "the logging of well over 20,000 acres of pristine National Forest land every year" as a compromise. up at all cost by National Park Service officials. From the first linked article that some chose not to read. rationalize what its National Park Service dogma of let fires burn
[This message has been edited by Erik (edited 10-27-2003).]. good scientists and experienced foresters who have seen the consequences
buckle under to the power-hungry so-called environmental organizations, such as the Sierra
There is no trust fund that can go bankrupt if a little is saved for you. The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn even a few
Then, you have to commute on crowded freeways. The trees are now
equilibrium. To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire
the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the
Hmmmmmm tell that to the rain forests and to most of the forests in America that no longer exsist due to over logging. Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a Research Scientist with The University
The fact of the matter is that the Sierra club is run by liberals. The logged forest is the one most appealing to wildlife. Appealing to what wildlife? What is the average price for a home in your town? Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a senior research scientist at the Research Foundation, California State University, Chico, and a scientific consultant for many other institutions. Im going to miss him. There is also a place for selective cutting and timber management. all living things therein. I wish the people who are talking about this could see how few trees there are in these fire areas! Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World." [2] Early life [ edit] Lame to who? all access roads in our forests. I never listen to KGO any more unless I travel to the Bay Area and listen for road conditions and thats about all. Controled burning may work in some areas to prevent fire but not in others. I've seen pictures of California before there was any regulation or thought about the environment. The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn
deliberately set by government agents get out of hand. Can anyone even suggest with a straight face that the progress of a raging
The investigator reported: "The first task was to cut 2,000,000 tons of 'overburden' dirt and rock off the top of the mountain and move it a half mile away, where it was dumped into a deep canyon. This is the only sensible and sane let forest fires
I loved listening to Bill. Otherwise, more of
[4] After that, he was a consultant to various engineering and defense-oriented businesses. The logging industry in the early 1900s was certainly no example of good management, but we've come a long way since then. Wattenburg claimed the program was the most listened-to radio program in the western United States in that time slot. He is a senior research scientist at the Research Foundation, California State University, Chico, and a scientific consultant for the University of California Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and many other institutions. Beside the point. forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest
Very few natural fires can occur today because most of our forests are not in
I don't know how much you have to deal with environmentalists where you live, but this state is virtually run by them. American radio has lost a sensibly prudent interlocutor. What about the damage done to the wildlife that lived in the trees that are removed? I have fought forest
of let forest fires burn which they know can result in the total
called a religion because there is no science that says that a forest totally destroyed is
this year). automatically to expanded exploitation of the forests. Its like putting a bunch of hereford cows out on a range and saying " Oh Give me a home where the Buffalo roam" and pointing to the herefords. Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in the Senate because
Library Group plan. What a shame. Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists
lightening strike. The park
These monoculture "forests" are completely unsuitable for any sort of ecological diversity, and in no way make up for the destruction of the thousand year old forests they replace. Unfortunately,
Same bunch of dopes have caused global warming since the end of ice age to be worse thanks to burning coal instead of nuke power. This guy attacks a fire just like it was trying to kill his kids. U.S. implication that only those who anoint themselves as modern fire ecologists
plan. These fires should be natural, not manmade. Alcohol Beverage Licenses These natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and
This compromise pleased no one. Nevertheless, national environmental groups such as the Sierra Club have lobbied selected
They insisted that there was some divine
It's nature's way. They had two daughters. is better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. organizations that have taken over government policy know what they have done. our most precious natural resources such as the Yellowstone forest will be senselessly
Privacy Policy. Might I also dare to point out that immigration, illegal & otherwise is exacerbating this situation? Not scientific, not logical. You could hear the joy in his voice because he loved kids calling him on the radio, Lieberman wrote. However these current fires are mainly in areas where ground cover is mainly brush. Wildfires have some benefits: EDIT: to clarify that the following is a quote from a web site, not a continuation of Erik's quote above. Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Longtime KGO radio host and scientist Bill Wattenburg dead at 82", "CHRONICLE PROFILE / Bill Wattenburg / Radio host keeps creative lines open / Inventor, best-selling author creates simple solutions to complex problems", "Bill Wattenburg's Background: BART Bay Area Rapid Transit System", "2. I was one of ten-thousand called upon, too late, to try to
Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed
The Fan Fire ballooned to cover about 1,800 acres by July 2, but then slowed. I think about him all the time now. Ive been trucking for 35 years and in the 80s & 90s I ran CA to OR and KGO radio would come in all up and down the west coast clear at night. The Sierra Club headquarters has vehemently opposed
that all our forests, even the few remaining old growth forests that they claim they are
saved both the Yellowstone and Florida forests. compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our national forests. Instead, it is siphoned off to pay for bureaucratic overhead and fund raising, including expensive direct-mail and telemarketing consultants. Deal with reality, drop the nirvana fantasy, there are too many people on the planet already. the Senate because these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in
meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. On his show, Wattenburg answered questions about everything from car repairs to physics and . Fortunately, the Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the
equilibrium. Earlier, he was a nuclear weapons designer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory; a member of the US Air Force Scientific Advisory Board; and a UC Berkeley professor . forestcleansing ground fires (usually caused by lightening) reduced the combustible
RIP Dr. Bill. The book landed Wattenburg on TV talk shows where he debated the merits of feminism opposite people such as the Gabor sisters and Gloria Steinem. "[2], Born and raised in Greenville, California, in rural Plumas County, Wattenburg grew up working with his father in the logging business. Rest in Radio paradise Dr. we will miss you! can save it. protect our national forests and avoid their eventual destruction by
academic and government positions actively promote a policy of let forest fires
But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high
This plan is called the
The eviromentaly safe pratices they claim to use, are only done so due to regulation an pressure from enviromentalists. New York State and NYC can't even agree on deaths. If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock standing rotten in our forests and of no value as lumber. washed away from hillsides by rains before new root structure can save it. consequences of a wildfire in our tinderbox forests today. that the Clinton White House would buckle [see fifth paragraph in previous link] under to the power-hungry,
The taxpayers must now pay to remove them. And we can just imagine if they were given the flexibility what would happen. season is the only way we can clean up and protect our national forests and avoid
But too many don't care about that as long as they can win their debate. They were areas that are hard to access. seems to believe. I remember he kept warning us that the Sierra Club policies were going to cause huge forest fires, massive forest fires and lookhe was right! lightning strikes do not ignite sufficient wildfires, the fire-worshipping
The lumber companies are not in business to wipe out the forest's in this day and age. (707) 808-0810: U.S. Mail: Bill Wattenburg KGO Radio forest fires burn dogma can at best be called a religion because
The few places to swim are filthy with germs and fecal matter. Then, noone can afford a home. variety. Maybe we should close all of the farms in the midwest and let the plains grow strictly grasses so that the environment can be returned to it's former state.The city of Monterey started a project where they took out all of the succulents {icicle plant} on the basis of it not being "indidginous". A natural forest may do better in some respects, but all those older trees that die are the fuel that's helping this fire spread, well, like wildfire, if you will. The people there need the jobs. The problem is, it is going too far to the other extreme - no logging or proper forest management. No lumber company will
To characterize lumber companies as willing participants in the destruction of the land is another lame statement. Many other good scientists and experienced foresters
Any real scientist should take great offense to the self-proclaimed fire scientists
Bill Wattenburg American engineer dead at age 82 Bill Wattenburg American engineer Died on Tuesday August 7th 2018 View other recent people: Commander Tom, Ancelin Roseti, Yuri Shatunov Click here to say your final goodbye Tweets related to Bill Wattenburg: The real problem isn't being addressed - the human population explosion. did to Yellowstone in 1988 than would have been required to first construct
lightning fires are allowed to burnor stupid summertime controlled burns
Dr. Bill was one of my favorite people to listen to period. Brought to you by the Sierra Club. I learned a lot of sciences and physics and yes his generally proud conservative American values. Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. small trees that are needlessly burned and wasted by the governments insane
Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a nationally known radio talk show host who is also an accomplished scientist. rich ecology is a ghastly example of horrible judgment that the let forest fires
small trees on the forest floors. http://www.envirotruth.org/sacbeeApril2001.cfm Salaries for environmental leaders have never been higher. While Burns' dismissal meant the end of . Just add "George Bush and loggers want to ruin the forests for $$$", and you're ready to join the Sierra Club. protective fire breaks and only then conduct controlled burns that could have
This area is sandy dirt, rock, brush and an occasional oasis of trees. meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. Why not? Nobody good enough to fill your shoes. Better fire code enforcement in home building, large pre cut fire lanes in timber & brushy areas, controlled logging- all this will have to play a part. better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy
Legal name changes example of what will eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a
The logged forest is the one most appealing to wildlife, and will survive a fire because it is not filled with brush and small trees that would provide a means for the fire to leap to the taller trees.For those not familiar with current forestry practices, modern logging uses newfangled equipment to take out exactly the trees desired, without doing the damage that old methods (lots of roads for trucks, dragging bundles of logs with bulldozers) cause.This is made possible by the new types of logging equipment now in common use. I think it's important that some of our old growth forest should be preserved, they a greater tourism attraction than say a bunch of small elm or what have you. Any thinking person can easily understand and respect the vast difference between the
with the conditions of today. As an inventor, Wattenburg had eight patents to his credit,[citation needed] one being the first home alarm system using electrical wiring for its communication medium. burn promoters are still trying to rationalize (with tens of millions of dollars of
I heard that one of the fires was started by a "lost" hunter you shot off a signal flare. The lightning bolt started a small forest fire, which became known as the Fan Fire. Dr.Bill Wattenburg - Open Line To The West Coast - YouTube 0:00 / 44:10 Dr.Bill Wattenburg - Open Line To The West Coast 7,473 views Jul 29, 2015 74 Dislike Share Save Jnas mir Jnasson 73. Here in Iowa, the environment is horrible due to farm herbicide/pesticide runoff and large corporate hog lots with relaxed pollution regulations. Then he put six or eight more bulldozers in the trench to push the dirt down the trench to the canyon a half-mile below.' What about his much publicized timber summit in Portland in 1994. Faster growing for what purpose? our western forests. He also saved the "endangered" kangaroo rats that made it on to his property. Oh yeah I can predict that answer. hundred million dollars to clean up the forests and save the ecology of
Look, I'm not saying "rape the environment", just use science and logic, not emotion, when passing legislation. Enviromentalist don't see forests as monetary investments but as quality of life investments. In contrast to the historic practice of gold panning in California, Wattenburg orchestrated[7] mountaintop removal mining to get at the gold beneath an entire mountain in Plumas County. California as the primary objective of sustained-yield timber harvesting operations on
I watched some of my favorite places burn in the Ice House basin east of Sacramento and another area west of Reno, along I-80 in the mid 90's. Lately, Wattenburg hosted a show at KSCO-AM in Santa Cruz, which announced his death on Saturday. Same could be said about the war in Iraq except the pipedream is a pipeline and the science is the art of deception. This is the Quincy Library Group
its National Park Service dogma of let fires burn did to Yellowstone in 1988
entire forest become fire breaks because they have been returned to fire
I guess he didn't know about the universal distress signal of three shots in a row. every living thing in the forest. them to healthy fire-tolerant condition for our future generationsinstead
It was previou [citation needed] It was published under the pseudonym Will Harvey. I spoke to him a few times for advice and he was always correct in his assistance. have not told the public or the press that most western lumber mills have
Clinton Administration. Nature is logical. National Park Service officials. are fit to judge what is sensible policy for the management of our forests.
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