An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? She could have stayed on the side of the road. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. So she warns her to stay away. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. Q. All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. why didn't steve downs get custody - Arrowmtn.com Where is the blood spatter on Diane? They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. The unicorn, the song, her personality. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. No. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. What followed was a tragedy subject to many interpretations. Did Danny Downs, Steve Downs' son, remain paralyzed? No way. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. Also, their union was turbulent ever since the beginning as Diane was reportedly disappearing with her children for long periods. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? She claimed she . What they did to her daughter is unconscionable. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. Regina, I love your comment! Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. How asinine. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. Diane Downs' Children Now: Christie, Danny & Becky Today The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. It appeared rigged: Rigged? As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. Jen Taylor . No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. That they did not test the outside of the car? Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone? I actually do not know what really happened. The kids were shorted-changed. Ryan is still in his thirties and still building an excellent reputation in the industry. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. Mr. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? You wondered at times, which side he was working for. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. After a failed marriage that got her a divorce from Steve Downs, she wanted to be with her lover. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. I've just seen that in Halo's new tv series, Steve Downes isn't going Many attribute the conviction of Downs to the arrival of author Ann Rule at Downs' trial. In this Battle of Cutthroats, Who has lost their head? Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. We cant. At the very least, she should have been released by now. ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate babypregnancy and giving the baby awayumits donnoits the gal already had a fragile mentality.may not have been the best idea. This whole tale is just unbelievable. They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. DNA Test Kits Are Helping Solve Cold Cases Decades Later, After Nearly a Year, There Could Finally be an Investigation Into the Death of Elijah McClain. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. Robert Knickerbocker Now: Where is Diane Downs' Love Interest Today? Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. Who is Steve Downs? The story of Diane Downs' ex-husband He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. (Yes, speculative). I say these things if I were on the jury. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. then later you ask how diane didnt have any blood splatter on her when she was inside the car when she shot her kids??? During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? He knows as he was in court and must have photos. why didn t steve downs get custody - Central Texas Gardening Blog Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. Powered by WordPress.com VIP. Ask them what they did to a good man. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. It is not a run of the mill case. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. Diane is not a killer or a liar! Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Wrong. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. Imagine the ones there for years. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. I hope she is granted parole. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. I lived through the media coverage. My brother was a first-generation immigrant who died in police custody The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. Despite all these misgivings, they chose to stay strong in the marriage and had their first child, Christie Ann, in 1974. Or be mentally ill. WTF? Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Basically, I dont believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. I feel sorry for Diane too. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? They had their second child, Cheryl Lynn, in 1976, followed by Stephen Danial, born in 1979. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. I agree with your comment. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. Downs, born Elizabeth Diane Frederickson, was a 27-year-old divorced postal worker when she pulled up outside a hospital in Oregon in May 1983. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. They would have welcomed them with open arms. Right?? What I believe doesnt matter at all. She even provided the police with her own sketch. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. Is it too late to respond to this? What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Oh my. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. Just a thought. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. We had a thoughtful jury that examined the evidence over four days. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. She was the prosecutions only hope. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. Also, he has never given television interviews about his family or ex-wife, who is now serving time in prison. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. That says it all. Who was Burt Reynolds married to when he died and who inherited his estate? She was more interested in the affection of men, which on that fateful day in 1983 gave her an idea. She is currently in prison, serving her life sentence for the murder of one of her kids and attempted murder for the other two. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. And their plan worked. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad.
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